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Pronunciation: Plus de l'avant

Andras Chonn Andras Chonn (1) on 10/08/15

Just to make sure, do you pronounce plus with or without the ending /s/ in the phrase "plus de l'avant"?

My understanding is that "plus + NOUN" leads to the ending /s/ sound being pronounced, but "plus + ADVERB" results in no ending /s/ sound.

The word "avant" can be an adverb and a noun.

However, the indefinite article "de l'" suggests that "avant" is a noun, so I am guessing that "plus" is pronounced with the ending /s/ here.

Please let me know if this is correct or if I am mistaken.



To me, it depends on the meaning of the word rather than on grammar.

"plus" without the /s/ sound means 'anymore' (like "Il n'y a plus de chocolat", "There isn't chocolate anymore")

"plus" with the /s/ sound means 'more' (like "Demande-lui plus d'argent", "Ask them more money")

In your sentence, "plus" means 'more' I suppose? As in go further? If that's what you meant, then you should pronounce the /s/ sound at the end.



Andras Chonn Andras Chonn (1) on 10/08/15

Yeah, I actually do start thinking in terms of meaning, but there is an exception when you say something like more expensive or "plus cher". The /s/ isn't pronounced even though the meaning is "more" instead of "anymore". "aller plus de l'avant" or "go further" is exactly the meaning I'm seeking, so it looks like ending with /s/ is the way to go. Thanks!

Anna Anh Nguyen Anna Anh Nguyen (0) on 10/08/15

Yeah, you're right. Thinking about it, I have the feeling that in front of an adjective the /s/ sound isn't said. (just like when you use the form "plus [insert sentence], plus [insert sentence]") Seems like it's the two only exceptions to me (but I may be forgetting another case) I have to admit I don't remember learning a specific rule for this as a native speaker. But I think the /s/ sound is only used when there could be a confusion between the meaning more and anymore. The rest of the time, it's not said (by native people at least). So if you say to a native speaker "aller plus de l'avant" without the /s/ sound they will still understand (since it can only have one meaning).

I would say - pronounce the s - it sounds better that way



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